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2011-11-22 6:54 am


killer1963daddy

Member

posts 3

hey guys,what is the proper proceedure for buying firearm on the buy and sell?
i have bought from dealers online before, but individuals?
how does the ball get rolling? how do i make sure i dont get burned?
the deal i am looking at is almost a grand, to me more money than i can afford, i really dont want to get ripped off! any advice welcome
killer
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2011-11-23 3:40 pm


wolfstrack

Western Canada

Moderator

posts 140

How to reduce risk of being scammed or bad deals !

* Obtain FULL information of the counterparty
Name, full address and phone number (PAL number), ask for more actual detailed picture of the item before sending money or goods.
Better spend couple of minutes to have a real conversation over the phone with buyer/seller.

* Attitude and manner the counterparty communicates could be an indicator – will you deal with a real person who communicates the way he/she does in real life?

* If the deal is too good to be true, there is a always a possibility it could not be true !

* Walk away if you don’t feel right about that deal- Do not rush to making the offer or taking the offer.

* Beware of WANTED requests – scammers always take advantage of buyer’s urgency and desire to get that product.

* If you see a gun you like, go check first gunbroker.com and gunsamerica.com sites. If you see that the seller has copied and pasted pictures from an adv there, it’s probably a SCAM.

* Before sending money to anyone on the internet, try and get as much info as you possibly can from the individual and then cross reference it with your local CFO and CFC at 1-800-731-4000 (if it’s a firearm) Google it for identical pictures, check phone with 411.ca (for other items) – reverse look up and check if data it’s right and valid.

*** as a reminder: DO NOT advertize your full name, address, phone number, PAL number or email in your buy/sell ads – use ONLY private msg (PM) for communications…THANK YOU !

Si vis Pacem, para Bellum !

2012-02-13 1:55 pm


darkshadow

Moderator

posts 39

Aside from Wolftrack's valid suggestions, when it comes time to send funds there is always the trepidation that you would get burned.

To alleviate your fears, I suggest:

Buyer initiate the transfer to verify validity of the firearm and he seller's PAL.

Once buyer has done that, then he/she may proceed to send the funds.

This method would be fair to both parties. And if the seller does not deliver, then the buyer has the valid information to pursue claim and call the RCMP.

2012-02-13 8:43 pm


ceilingcat

Member

posts 6

I feel the safest way is to do the following:

1. get full information, do the suggestions above with respect to research
2. google the person's name, email- you'd be surprised on what you can find
3. have the SELLER start the transfer
4. obtain reference number from seller
5. call the canadian firearms center to accept transfer with reference number, make sure the owner's name and information is correct and checks out
6. once the transfer has started pay the seller, or pay him after the transfer is complete.

if the transfer has completed, the gun is legally yours, but the seller has possession until you pay him, therefore both parties have a sense of security – you dont pay until the gun is being transferred to your name (you know it exists and the seller actually has the gun)

he can't get scammed on his gun because he has it in hand until he gets your money in a reliable way (emt is best in my opinion)

of course there is always an element of danger on the web.. the gun he sends could be defective or not as described. technically he can just send you a stripped receiver since that's the only "firearm" part but you can probably take him to court over something like that…

2012-02-28 7:54 pm


darkshadow

Moderator

posts 39

Post edited 7:55 pm – 2012-02-28 by darkshadow


If the funds are transferred before confirmation that the firearm is legally registered and exists, and the buyer is legally in possession of a PAL, the buyer is left with no guarantee. This is why the scams work because funds have to be sent first. All the advantage is for the seller. Once the gun is in the buyer's name, seller has no recourse but to ship or hand it over. The CFO has repeatedly advised that funds should change hands BEFORE THE FIREARM IS LEGALLY IN THE BUYER'S NAME.

Buyer can potentially call the CFO/RCMP and claim that payment has been made and the seller REFUSES to surrender the firearm. Seller has to legally turn the firearm over to the buyer.

If buyer initiates transfer first in order that he/she may verify the firearm is registered, and the seller has a legal PAL, then the buyer can rest assured that the CFO and RCMP know where to find the buyer should anything go wrong. The buyer can then send funds, and the seller calls to complete. Both parties are left with no doubts and no fear that a scam could happen.

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